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Re: ArchiMate 3?
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2016, 09:59:32 am »
Is it just me or is it kinda complex trying to download the new specification.  One thing the open group don't do is accessible web design.

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Re: ArchiMate 3?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2016, 12:00:32 pm »
Oh god, they're tried to cope with the cloud at the technology layer.  :-[

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Re: ArchiMate 3?
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2016, 12:28:23 pm »
Oh god, they're tried to cope with the cloud at the technology layer.  :-[
yes,

I'm a bit underwhelmed...

Since we're running our own modelling environment, we can take "cognisance' (what a lovely word) of ArchiMate 3.0 but build models that work...   ;)

It's a bit lke taking elocution lessons.  You know how to speak, but you "done tork propa" - so you go to lessons to "learn how to speak correctly".

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2016, 02:03:53 pm »
Oh god, they're tried to cope with the cloud at the technology layer.  :-[
yes,

I'm a bit underwhelmed...

Reading the specification I'm reminded of my 18mo playing with his sorta-shape toy.

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2016, 02:44:20 pm »
Oh god, they're tried to cope with the cloud at the technology layer.  :-[
Just read the spec but can't see what you are talking about. Care to elaborate?

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Re: ArchiMate 3?
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2016, 02:50:43 pm »
The Good
Introduction of Strategy and Physical Elements.

The Bad
Big disappointment for me is Appendix C Example Viewpoints (Informative)
No actual examples just descriptions. Snoozzzzzzzzzz
Guess the standards writers get paid per word

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Re: ArchiMate 3?
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2016, 07:46:18 am »
Oh god, they're tried to cope with the cloud at the technology layer.  :-[
Just read the spec but can't see what you are talking about. Care to elaborate?

The addition of Technology collaboration.  Collaborations are universally poorly implemented at every other layer.

The relationship between Node and Facility (is it a realization, hard to tell). 

In a fully virtualized environment the node may be moved about either manually or automatically.  It's not tied to a building, in the same way a device is.

The whole set of Physical objects are in a word lame.  There was a need to strengthen the concept of location to cope with post physical and logical locations to model visualization properly.  Grabbing some concepts from Visio diagrams isn't it.

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Re: ArchiMate 3?
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2016, 09:57:47 am »
Didn't someone post a rumour that they were going to do away with collaborations?

We're looking into having non-physical locations.

These days, many devices aren't tied to fixed locations either.

I've only looked at the Reference card so far...

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Re: ArchiMate 3?
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2016, 10:13:04 am »
Didn't someone post a rumour that they were going to do away with collaborations?

Yes.  There is a lot of behaviour that is the result of a collaboration.  There's just more use in fully defining the relationship between two components than using the structural collaboration element.  But another way, the element has no audience.

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We're looking into having non-physical locations.
These days, many devices aren't tied to fixed locations either.

It's really obvious that the Archimate cabal doesn't understand visualization both in the server and networking space.  Or SOA and related concepts.  Grrrrr.

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Re: ArchiMate 3?
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2016, 08:36:30 pm »
So,  ArchiMate 3.0 is published.  See https://www2.opengroup.org/ogsys/catalog/C162.

When will Sparx support this version?
When our implementation is ready.

I think that means:
1)  Yes Sparx will support Archimate 3.0 at some point
2)  When that point is, is undefined, or at least not for publication.


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Re: ArchiMate 3?
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2016, 06:57:18 pm »
Archimate 3 support is mentioned on the version 13 product page

       http://www.sparxsystems.com/products/ea/13/