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Notes for class attributes
« on: July 16, 2018, 11:38:19 am »
In 13.5, I was able to add notes to class attributes. In v 14, I can't find the notes window : has this feature been removed ?

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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2018, 04:46:57 pm »
Hi!
It's here: Menu Start -> Explore: Properties and you need to check Notes option.

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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2018, 02:13:22 pm »
thanks, yes it works. But very un-intuitive...13.5 was much better IMHO, now many things are spread all over, This dramatic menu / UI redesign is not a success to me...

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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2018, 09:40:51 am »
now many things are spread all over
Really interesting that you would say that. There were something like 50 different dialogs that were available in different ways for different types that have all been unified into the docked properties window. So, what you are complaining about was exactly what that UI re-work was intended to improve.
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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2018, 01:38:00 pm »
now many things are spread all over
Really interesting that you would say that. There were something like 50 different dialogs that were available in different ways for different types that have all been unified into the docked properties window. So, what you are complaining about was exactly what that UI re-work was intended to improve.
You can't please all the people all the time.

Whilst I can see some of the benefits of the new UI I do empathise with the frustration of trying to find stuff in the new interface knowings something is there but not being able to find it because its disabled by default. Maybe the answer is as simple as  enabling notes by default.

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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2018, 03:00:26 pm »
You can't please all the people all the time.
No, but I am interested in improving EA.

I'm guessing that the issue is that the previous dialog for attributes contained the attribute list, properties editor and note editor. Those are now three separate windows, although each of them is used in more contexts than just editing of attributes.
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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2018, 12:11:49 am »
Apparently version 14.1 is bringing back the attributes dialog :)

You see Thomas, sometimes they do listen to us  ;D

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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2018, 05:24:24 am »
Unfortunately less and less. I remember those times. You know, before the war.

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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2018, 06:47:46 am »
No, but I am interested in improving EA.
Which is why I suggested enabling the notes window by default. Solves the problem.

I'm guessing that the issue is that the previous dialog for attributes contained the attribute list, properties editor and note editor. Those are now three separate windows, although each of them is used in more contexts than just editing of attributes.
If you think about how people enter attributes its usually something like this. Maybe slightly different order.
a) name
b) type
c) Initial value
d) notes

If notes window is disabled and its difficult to find how to enable it then step d) is problematic.
It looks like V14.1 may have the notes window enabled.

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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2018, 06:50:52 am »
Apparently version 14.1 is bringing back the attributes dialog :)
Just downloaded V14.1 beta to see if that is true. The attributes window remains and I can't see anyway of getting to the attributes dialog so may its fake news :)

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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2018, 08:56:02 am »
Apparently version 14.1 is bringing back the attributes dialog :)
Just downloaded V14.1 beta to see if that is true. The attributes window remains and I can't see anyway of getting to the attributes dialog so may its fake news :)

Select a class and press F9. Or right-click > Features > Attributes. Both bring up a modal Features dialog where you can create attributes with their notes. The modeless Features & Properties window remains which will need to be used in conjunction with the modeless Notes window.
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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2018, 12:00:51 pm »
Apparently version 14.1 is bringing back the attributes dialog :)
Just downloaded V14.1 beta to see if that is true. The attributes window remains and I can't see anyway of getting to the attributes dialog so may its fake news :)

Select a class and press F9. Or right-click > Features > Attributes. Both bring up a modal Features dialog where you can create attributes with their notes. The modeless Features & Properties window remains which will need to be used in conjunction with the modeless Notes window.

Sorry KP I've just tried again with Build 1425 and both of those mechanisms, F9 or right-click>Features>Attributes  I only get the modeless features window. No Dialog appears.

I also tried element properties dialog>details>attributes but only get the features window. Can't think of any other way to get a dialog but think I've pretty much exhausted the options.

Are you using the same build or a different one?

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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2018, 12:08:24 pm »
What's missing is an option.

Start | View | Visual style | Prefer Property Dialogs
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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2018, 06:32:45 am »
Thanks Simon - would never have found that.

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Re: Notes for class attributes
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2018, 08:18:37 am »
I have the feeling that the GUI designers at Sparx are hired from Sirius Cybernetics Co. Let's hope the revolution will come soon.

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