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Title: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 07, 2014, 11:33:48 pm
I just installed EA v12 and looked around a bit.
Here are my first impressions:

- I lost my workpace layouts !?! Why? I needed those, they worked for me and now I have to redo them. Pretty annoying start.

- BreadCrum/Navigation bar on top is nice. The "back/forward" arrows promise something much better, but unfortunately they don't deliver. Pressing the "back" button only selects the parent package in the project browser, not the previously opened diagram.

- The properties dialogs. OMG Everything is different, and they have re-instated tabs, TABS EVERYWHERE!!! Anyone who had any documentation about EA can now start to rewrite (and copy/paste printscreens) because it all look very different now.

What are your first impressions?
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: philchudley on November 08, 2014, 12:04:11 am
Pretty much agree with you Geert

Only had a 30min "play" so far, will have a more in depth "play" next week

I was a little surprised when I opened a Diagram to see NO TOOLBOX!

Had to go hunting for it, I would guess most seasoned users would find that

a) Confusing
b) Unexpected
c) Annoying

Keep you posted on my opinions

Cheers

Phil
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 08, 2014, 12:46:40 am
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I was a little surprised when I opened a Diagram to see NO TOOLBOX!
Found it!

I think we have found our new "red triangle" :o

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: OpenIT Solutions on November 08, 2014, 01:33:37 am
Hi,

Well I like the new look and feel - but unless they have something up their sleeve - that's all we have here - a new look and feel.

Since v9 I've been holding out for an interactive portal solution that presents role based views of model content and allows my users to edit element properties, comment on content, raise and follow change requests etc...was really hoping v12 would deliver something like that...

Guess i'll need to look again at your offering Geert ! :-)...
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 08, 2014, 01:39:22 am
Luckily I have not been invited to the beta test. For the screenshots in my books I'll likely have to find a way to include the EA version somewhere :-(

q.

P.S. Oh. just notice that the beta is for public use.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 08, 2014, 01:46:38 am
I tried to install but got an error message: SSOdbcFb: Config uninstall failed with 13. I never ever used that firebird stuff. WTH?

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 08, 2014, 01:54:20 am
Doesn't look too bad. But still the attributes/operations need to open in a separate window. Why can't these stay in the same properties window as that of the element itself? So the new style looks more like marketing driven rather than intended by practical use improvements.

Also, when already mangling all those windows why not introducing a configuration of what one wants to see? This also has been asked for many times.

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 08, 2014, 02:36:10 am
BTW: Of course we have menu migrations. SETTINGS is now to be found under PROJECT/Settings (well, the menu is all uppercase now?!).

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 08, 2014, 09:14:36 am
Where is the SQL search (Search Builder)?

Argh. You need to create a SQL search to open the window part >:(

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Aaron B on November 10, 2014, 09:52:28 am
@qwerty RE: SQL Search - If you are looking for the SQL Scratch Pad, click the "Edit Search" button on the toolbar of the search window.  It's a couple of icons to the right of the "New Search" button.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: AndyJ on November 10, 2014, 10:19:44 am
Only thing I've bumped into so far is a possible glitch when importing an XML Schema (XSD) file.

Sparx are investigating it to see what's going on.

It will confuse my users when they see me using the new interface.

(That's probably a good thing, keep 'em on their toes...)
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: VK on November 10, 2014, 10:27:21 am
@qwerty RE: Menu in uppercase - this is due to the Visual Style, which can be changed using the following menu option : View -> Visual Style -> Select Visual Style
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 10, 2014, 05:29:33 pm
@Aaron: Found it. Thanks
@VK: There's a ton of radio buttons. Which one? I curiously clicked the Carbon the very first time (which I did not like at all) and switched back to VS13 (which I thought was the default). VS12 also shows upper case.

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Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 10, 2014, 06:51:12 pm
I can't seem to find where they hid the MDG Technologies option (where you can select/deselect which MDG's you want to use)

Anyone found that one yet?

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 10, 2014, 06:54:25 pm
Ha, found it myself.
It is now hidden in Project|Settings|MDG Technologies...

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 10, 2014, 07:03:04 pm
See my post above. It's part of the famous game "Where are my menus in the new EA version?"  ;D

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 10, 2014, 07:06:51 pm
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See my post above. It's part of the famous game "Where are my menus in the new EA version?"  ;D

q.
Yes, sigh ::)
I'm playing it now so I can help my users later on after we upgrade.

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: SomersetGraham on November 10, 2014, 07:50:20 pm
Hi
I dont seem to be able to find a download link for EA v12
Please could someone point me in the right direction

Thanks
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 10, 2014, 07:58:09 pm
The redesign of the operations/attributes dialog is horrible.
I was just trying to change something to the parameters of an operation, but the two fields that are most used for a parameter (name and type) get the smallest part of the screen.
Just a tiny portion of the screen, only 12 characters for name and 12 characters for type are visible.
But on the on the other hand, I have half the width of my screen to indicate the direction! >:(
Who designed this? And who agreed to it? Have they ever actually used it?

I'm getting pretty tired of this.. :-[

Sparx fix it, please!!! >:(

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 10, 2014, 09:32:35 pm
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Hi
I dont seem to be able to find a download link for EA v12
Please could someone point me in the right direction

Thanks
http://www.sparxsystems.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1415160890

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 10, 2014, 09:35:53 pm
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Who designed this? And who agreed to it? Have they ever actually used it?
My best guess when looking down the last - say 7 - versions then the design and implementation was agreed between marketing and development without bothering someone caring about user stories or  the like.

 :( :( :( :(

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: aviv on November 10, 2014, 09:53:11 pm
The beta is released for registered users only.
 Where can I register?
Thank.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 10, 2014, 10:41:17 pm
If you buy EA you become a registered user (for a year)

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Sunshine on November 11, 2014, 06:47:31 am
Nice to see Sparx are making an attempt to revamp the UI. I like what they are doing. The portal and navigator help newbies find things easier which is great.
I did notice access to the image manager seems to be only via the context menu on an object in a diagram. Would be nice to be able to access the image manager via the main menu. View would be good but I guess Project has its merits too.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: VK on November 11, 2014, 08:15:04 am
@Sunshine RE: Image Manager - available from the following main menu : Project -> Settings -> Images
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 11, 2014, 09:03:44 am
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@Sunshine RE: Image Manager - available from the following main menu : Project -> Settings -> Images
That's definitely going to be the new "red triangle" question.

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on November 11, 2014, 09:27:05 am
Thank you all for your feedback so far.

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- I lost my workpace layouts !?! Why? I needed those, they worked for me and now I have to redo them.
I feel your pain. I have layouts I use all the time too. A number of new windows have been added, a few have been moved into internal views. All of this plays havoc with the layout mechanism and we felt that it was better to reset them than have it do a bad job loading an old one.

Your old layouts are still there. EA 12 is just looking in a different directory in appdata for them. If you want to try using your old layouts copy them from %appdata%\Sparx Systems\EA\Workspace Layouts to %appdata%\Sparx Systems\EA\Workspace Layouts12.

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- BreadCrum/Navigation bar on top is nice. The "back/forward" arrows promise something much better, but unfortunately they don't deliver. Pressing the "back" button only selects the parent package in the project browser, not the previously opened diagram.
It doesn't do what I expected either. But I was expecting it to go back to the previous package. I think we'll see this toolbar improved over time.

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- The properties dialogs. OMG Everything is different, and they have re-instated tabs, TABS EVERYWHERE!!! Anyone who had any documentation about EA can now start to rewrite (and copy/paste printscreens) because it all look very different now.
There are places in the UI that now have less tabs. The internal tabs that have been added previously corresponded to additional top level pages. In most cases when I use it, I hardly notice the internal tab control because everything I typically want is on the front page.

The most common exceptions to this are tagged values (on anything) or notes on operations. The notes on parameters aren't terribly convenient either, but in my experience they don't usually get a lot of documentation.

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I was a little surprised when I opened a Diagram to see NO TOOLBOX!
I can see how that could be a problem. There is a button in the diagram caption bar to show or hide it, but that may not be visible enough. I think it's not in the default layouts because of that button and because so many views don't use it.

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Well I like the new look and feel - but unless they have something up their sleeve - that's all we have here - a new look and feel.
There's a lot more than that mentioned on the download page, not too mention what the full release notes will describe.

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Doesn't look too bad. But still the attributes/operations need to open in a separate window. Why can't these stay in the same properties window as that of the element itself? So the new style looks more like marketing driven rather than intended by practical use improvements.
So, you don't like that they are in a shared window, but you would like them to share the object properties dialog?

I can't deny that the visual styles don't necessarily provide usage improvements. But older versions of EA had an unusual mashup of themed and unthemed elements, even on the same dialog. I'm glad to see the updates if only because things aren't standing out at me for all the wrong reasons.

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I can't seem to find where they hid the MDG Technologies option (where you can select/deselect which MDG's you want to use)
I've had the same issue. I just moved it under the extensions menu, which I think makes more sense. But I'll have to see if I can convince anyone else of that.

More comments in a second post so I don't go over the character limit.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on November 11, 2014, 09:40:22 am
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The redesign of the operations/attributes dialog is horrible.
I was just trying to change something to the parameters of an operation, but the two fields that are most used for a parameter (name and type) get the smallest part of the screen.
Just a tiny portion of the screen, only 12 characters for name and 12 characters for type are visible.
But on the on the other hand, I have half the width of my screen to indicate the direction!
I opened this up and couldn't see what you were talking about. The sizes where exactly the same. It wasn't until I resized the dialog that I saw it. It looks to me that the problem is that the wrong part of the UI is expanding with the dialog. I think I can probably get that fixed. Assuming I can, what's your opinion on the rest of the parameters dialog?

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Nice to see Sparx are making an attempt to revamp the UI. I like what they are doing. The portal and navigator help newbies find things easier which is great.
That's great to hear.

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BTW: Of course we have menu migrations. SETTINGS is now to be found under PROJECT/Settings (well, the menu is all uppercase now?!).
Yes, it's different. Most of the things in the settings menu where relevant to the current project, which is the reason for the move. Most of the things that aren't relating the current project have been moved out of settings.

Keep the feedback coming. It's why there is a beta out now.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: mikepolson on November 11, 2014, 09:53:04 am
Anyone know how to access the Database Engineering toolset?  Per the EA12 highlights page, its Tools/Database Builder. However, I don't see it from that menu.  

Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: AndyJ on November 11, 2014, 09:55:33 am
Is it licence specific?

I can see it (and start it up) from there (Business and Software Engineering Edition)

Andy
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: mikepolson on November 11, 2014, 10:04:33 am
It could be - I'm running Professional Edition and don't see it.  I would however expect it to be in Professional.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: AndyJ on November 11, 2014, 10:22:07 am
Random question...

Do you have a project open?

I just noticed that it's greyed out if there is no project open.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: AndyJ on November 11, 2014, 10:24:26 am
Another thing to check is:

View, Perspectives, Menu Sets...

Just in case it's turned off in there.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 11, 2014, 11:07:21 am
Tools/Database Builder looks like being new?

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 11, 2014, 11:08:23 am
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It could be - I'm running Professional Edition and don't see it.  I would however expect it to be in Professional.
Package/DB Engineering?

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on November 11, 2014, 03:18:14 pm
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It could be - I'm running Professional Edition and don't see it.  I would however expect it to be in Professional.
I think both the database builder and schema composer are corporate and above.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 12, 2014, 06:04:16 pm
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I opened this up and couldn't see what you were talking about. The sizes where exactly the same. It wasn't until I resized the dialog that I saw it. It looks to me that the problem is that the wrong part of the UI is expanding with the dialog. I think I can probably get that fixed. Assuming I can, what's your opinion on the rest of the parameters dialog?
The rest seems OK.
I'm just a bit sad that all of the properties of all things in EA now have this  same generic key/value list layout. It makes it harder to find the property you need.
I hope this redesign has a good reason (like you need this because you are prepping for full web version of EA ;)) because it surely is less user friendly now.
What I do like it that every new dialog I've seen is re-sizable.

Geert

PS. Thanks for the response like that Simon. It makes me feel like my opinion counts.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: mikepolson on November 13, 2014, 05:03:40 am
Re: I think both the database builder and schema composer are corporate and above.

If that is correct, I believe this would then be a bug;)  

Per the EA Editions page - http://www.sparxsystems.com/products/ea/compare-editions.html - "Database Engineering" is a capability of the Professional Edition.  So, shouldn't this functionality be enabled and visible within the Professional edition?
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 13, 2014, 08:32:17 am
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Re: I think both the database builder and schema composer are corporate and above.

If that is correct, I believe this would then be a bug;)  

Per the EA Editions page - http://www.sparxsystems.com/products/ea/compare-editions.html - "Database Engineering" is a capability of the Professional Edition.  So, shouldn't this functionality be enabled and visible within the Professional edition?
Or maybe the announcement is simply wrong ::)

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on November 13, 2014, 09:50:45 am
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I'm just a bit sad that all of the properties of all things in EA now have this  same generic key/value list layout. It makes it harder to find the property you need.
... because it surely is less user friendly now.
I understand the concern. It's one that I had when the new dialogs were proposed. But after having used the new dialogs for a while, (yes, I spend my entire day using EA apart from short forays for things like this forum) I wouldn't want to go back.

The old dialogs were still a matter of key/value pairs. It's a constant issue for us to fit the fields on the dialog. In order to try to fit everything on, most dialogs use at least two columns. So it's not easy to scan and gives the impressing of being cluttered and messy even if everything is aligned well.

By structuring all the properties into a list, I find it easier to scan for the one I'm after. We're already displaying more values on that first page and there's no reason we can't put more useful values there. Even better, the list supports grouping. At the moment we're only using two groups in the object properties (the same as you'll find in the docked window) but there's no reason we can't expand it and provide more structure in the future.

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Per the EA Editions page - http://www.sparxsystems.com/products/ea/compare-editions.html - "Database Engineering" is a capability of the Professional Edition.  So, shouldn't this functionality be enabled and visible within the Professional edition?
The Professional edition still supports importing from ODBC and DDL generation. It has been improved with DDL generation templates. The capabilities of connecting to running instances of the database, altering them on the fly and running commands within Enterprise Architect have been classified as Corporate functionality distinct from the capabilities of the Professional edition.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 13, 2014, 05:52:41 pm
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I opened this up and couldn't see what you were talking about. The sizes where exactly the same. It wasn't until I resized the dialog that I saw it. It looks to me that the problem is that the wrong part of the UI is expanding with the dialog. I think I can probably get that fixed. Assuming I can, what's your opinion on the rest of the parameters dialog?
The rest seems OK.
I just installed the second BETA and the the problem with the parameters name and type is already solved!
When re-sizing the dialog the parameters part is being re-sized allowing me the see the whole name and type.

Great response time!

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Guillaume on November 13, 2014, 06:43:31 pm
In the operations properties, looking at the list of parameters, the following features are available via a right click: Enable Group Box, Field Chooser and Toggle filter bar.

The first 2 features have no use in this context : there's no additional field to choose, and there's no column title available to group results -> should they be removed?
Also if Enable Group Box and Toggle filter bar are both enabled, they overlap.

Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 13, 2014, 08:44:38 pm
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Great response time!
Nostalgic feelings coming up :)

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Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 13, 2014, 10:01:57 pm
I just tried to create a new attribute/operation and noticed that there is no New button. You need to open the context menu.  Well, maybe the Ctrl+N is anyway better. But then, please, have the name selected so I can type over the name I have in mind. Now I have to dbl-click it once again. Superfluous.

And when I Tab out of it I want to reach the Type field...

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on November 14, 2014, 09:05:21 am
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I just installed the second BETA and the the problem with the parameters name and type is already solved!
When re-sizing the dialog the parameters part is being re-sized allowing me the see the whole name and type.

Great response time!
I intended to share what had been updated based on feedback from this thread, but got caught up on other things.

In other changes, MDG Technologies can now be found under extensions (But you may need to reset your menu in Tools | Customize). Hopefully that makes it easier to find.

The Application Look dialog (the one with all the radio buttons) has been simplified, but also had some extra options added. Including to restore the tree style tabs on property dialogs if you missed that.

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Well, maybe the Ctrl+N is anyway better. But then, please, have the name selected so I can type over the name I have in mind. Now I have to dbl-click it once again. Superfluous.

And when I Tab out of it I want to reach the Type field...
Did you try typing once you pressed Ctrl+N? That's exactly what it does. :)

Tab is moving to the next control, just the default windows behavior. But you can use arrow keys to navigate the list. Just press enter to confirm the current edit first.

Guillaume, I'll see if the developers can hide those options.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 14, 2014, 10:57:42 am
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Did you try typing once you pressed Ctrl+N? That's exactly what it does. :)

Tab is moving to the next control, just the default windows behavior. But you can use arrow keys to navigate the list. Just press enter to confirm the current edit first.
Ah, well. The text is not highlighted as being selected. Isn't there a style guide for that Windoze? Or is that EAUI? I'm from the Mac world and UI is quite consistent there. So sorry for being picky.

Now when I tab out the focus is on the Attributes window below, and next in the Notes. I'd expect a tab to move to Type, then to Scope etc. There's definitely a way to make a meaningful chain here ::)

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: AndyJ on November 14, 2014, 11:02:39 am
Back in the day...

(I'm showing my age here.)

That was called tab-index order.

Ideally you should be able to navigate the whole screen by tabbing from one field to the next, from left to right, from top to bottom.

By default, fields would gain a tab index number in the order that the fields were placed on screen by the developer, and it's a final task, to set them all to appropriate values.

 :)
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: KP on November 14, 2014, 11:09:13 am
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Back in the day...

(I'm showing my age here.)

That was called tab-index order.

Ideally you should be able to navigate the whole screen by tabbing from one field to the next, from left to right, from top to bottom.

By default, fields would gain a tab index number in the order that the fields were placed on screen by the developer, and it's a final task, to set them all to appropriate values.

 :)
That's still the case, but the table control is a single item as far as the tab order goes. The arrow keys move around the table and the tab key moves to the next control.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 14, 2014, 08:54:19 pm
Can't agree, Neil. If I'm typing inside the name field the arrow key just moves the cursor. And that's (hopefully) by design. Tab should move to the next control (being the next input field or after the last one the next high level control).

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Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on November 17, 2014, 09:05:15 am
If you are editing a cell, press enter to confirm and then use the arrow keys.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 17, 2014, 10:17:46 am
Well, a bit different to OS X, of course. However, the Scope does not seem to accept keyboard input.

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Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: survex on November 18, 2014, 03:21:35 am
Can anyone post some images of new look and themes?
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 18, 2014, 04:52:01 am
Posting images here is a bit tedious. You can download the Beta, rename the old EA program folder, install the beta and rename old/new so you have EA12 and EA folders. Then you can start either. As far as I can see there is not issue in using both versions in parallel as most likely Sparx has concentrated on just GUI changes.

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Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: survex on November 18, 2014, 05:59:09 am
I'm not registered user. So I can't download EA 12 beta.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 18, 2014, 08:01:51 pm
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I opened this up and couldn't see what you were talking about. The sizes where exactly the same. It wasn't until I resized the dialog that I saw it. It looks to me that the problem is that the wrong part of the UI is expanding with the dialog. I think I can probably get that fixed. Assuming I can, what's your opinion on the rest of the parameters dialog?
The rest seems OK.
Forget that. I just tried adding a parameter.
Some remarks
- I can't type the first part of the type and then use CTRL-space to search for it. (that is a feature we all use a lot)
- Even worse, I can't save my parameters. I can add as many parameters as I like, but as soon as I click on another operation, or select close the parameters are gone! There is just no way to save the new parameters. :o (If I would work at Sparx I would be smacking the testers to the head right about now :D.)
- The [...] button next to the notes of a parameter doesn't do anything

Geert

PS. #!@& Now I have to downgrade just to be able to add parameters.


Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 18, 2014, 09:16:20 pm
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PS. #!@& Now I have to downgrade just to be able to add parameters.
Don't you use both installations in parallel?

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Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 18, 2014, 09:32:32 pm
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PS. #!@& Now I have to downgrade just to be able to add parameters.
Don't you use both installations in parallel?

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No, I usually just go for it. Uninstall/Reinstall doesn't take too much time anyway.

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on November 18, 2014, 09:54:24 pm
I still keep the version from 9.3 on. Just renaming the program folders. So I can test things with different versions. Never had an issue with that procedure. The current version's folder is named EA and all others have the version suffix. When installing a new version i rename the old program folder (attach the suffix) and install the new version.

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Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on November 19, 2014, 09:48:16 am
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- I can't type the first part of the type and then use CTRL-space to search for it. (that is a feature we all use a lot)
I'm always surprised when I find a feature I didn't know existed. I've used Ctrl+Space when inplace editing, but not in type combos. I'll see if it's something we can get back.

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- Even worse, I can't save my parameters. I can add as many parameters as I like, but as soon as I click on another operation, or select close the parameters are gone! There is just no way to save the new parameters. :o (If I would work at Sparx I would be smacking the testers to the head right about now :D.)
- The [...] button next to the notes of a parameter doesn't do anything
That's odd. I've personally used both of these and haven't had any problems. I just tried again, parameters were saved immediately on creation, name losing focus or type change. The signature on the table was immediately updated changing the stereotype or direction saved immediately but didn't update the signature field. The notes field button brought up a dialog for notes entry when clicked.

Despite trying to reproduce your errors I can't reproduce either, so I'll reserve judgement on the testers for now.

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I still keep the version from 9.3 on. Just renaming the program folders. So I can test things with different versions. Never had an issue with that procedure. The current version's folder is named EA and all others have the version suffix. When installing a new version i rename the old program folder (attach the suffix) and install the new version.
I used to have an install of every build back to 4.0 for testing purposes (plus a 3.6 and 3.51.) I culled my collection recently though. Now I only have a selection of builds back to 8.0. If there's anything I need that desperately I can find an installer.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 19, 2014, 06:16:40 pm
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- I can't type the first part of the type and then use CTRL-space to search for it. (that is a feature we all use a lot)
I'm always surprised when I find a feature I didn't know existed. I've used Ctrl+Space when inplace editing, but not in type combos. I'll see if it's something we can get back.

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- Even worse, I can't save my parameters. I can add as many parameters as I like, but as soon as I click on another operation, or select close the parameters are gone! There is just no way to save the new parameters. :o (If I would work at Sparx I would be smacking the testers to the head right about now :D.)
- The [...] button next to the notes of a parameter doesn't do anything
That's odd. I've personally used both of these and haven't had any problems. I just tried again, parameters were saved immediately on creation, name losing focus or type change. The signature on the table was immediately updated changing the stereotype or direction saved immediately but didn't update the signature field. The notes field button brought up a dialog for notes entry when clicked.

Despite trying to reproduce your errors I can't reproduce either, so I'll reserve judgement on the testers for now.
To give you a bit more context. I'm using EA on an SQL Server 2012 backend with user security enabled (require user lock to edit). We use window authentication, and my user has full admin rights on the model.
The part of model I'm using is not version controlled (other parts are)

It seems like a part of the dialog wasn't aware that I had a lock on the element.

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on November 28, 2014, 06:03:12 pm
I just installed the third beta (12.0.1203) and I see that there are again some significant improvements.
- I can now save my parameters
- I can get rid of the tabs and go back to the treeview style
- I can get rid of the standards property lists in most dialogs and get back to the old dialog-style of properties.

I still can't do CTRL-space to search for a parameter type, return type or attribute type.

That was a really really useful feature that I certainly would miss if it wasn't reinstated.

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on December 01, 2014, 09:08:18 pm
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I just installed the third beta (12.0.1203) and I see that there are again some significant improvements.
- I can now save my parameters
Oops I spoke too soon. Now again I can't save parameters anymore.
I'm not sure why this happens, but it probably has something to do with the user security.
I have the impression that sometimes EA forgets to remove the "read-only" flag from that part of the dialog.

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on December 03, 2014, 02:39:29 pm
I've spoken with a developer about both of your concerns.

Can't reproduce a locking issue, but the dialog is currently allowing you to select no operation. When you do, it isn't obvious and the behavior matches your description.

We've also added the ctrl+space functionality back in for the next build. I haven't compared it to v11 myself yet.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on December 03, 2014, 11:42:31 pm
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I've spoken with a developer about both of your concerns.

Can't reproduce a locking issue, but the dialog is currently allowing you to select no operation. When you do, it isn't obvious and the behavior matches your description.

We've also added the ctrl+space functionality back in for the next build. I haven't compared it to v11 myself yet.

I just did some additional testing.
I disabled all of my add-ins just to make sure they don't mess anything up -> still problem creating parameters
Then I tested on the EAExample model -> no problem. I can create parameters
Then I tried it on a .eap copy of our SQL Server model -> Problem, can't create parameters.
Then I removed user security from the .eap file -> Still problem, can't create parameters.
Then I removed the version controlled packages form the .eap file and I removed the whole vc configuration -> still problem, can't create parameters.

I'm running out of idea's here. :'(

Geert

Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on December 04, 2014, 12:14:06 am
In a desparate attempt to figure out what was happening here I ran a Project Integrity check on my model.
After fixing dozens of errors the problem seems to be solved. I can now again create parameters.

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on December 04, 2014, 12:42:21 am
It would be nice if EA could croak after N openings or M days that a project integrity check should be performed. Similar to fsck under *NIX.

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Max Widen on December 04, 2014, 03:26:16 am
Found this feature on EA12 description page:
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Support for XMI merge using Baseline Merge sets. Provide the ability to selectively merge sets of changes in a multi-user environment. Each user must supply both an XMI of their current work, plus a Baseline merge file detailing how their XMI differs from the original. Only the listed changes are merged and all other changes to the Master package remain untouched.

Does it mean, that two or more users can simultaneously check-out the same version-controlled package and then check-in only the elements they changed?

Whether so or not - could anyone, please, explain, how to find and try this new feature?

Thank you.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on December 04, 2014, 05:36:55 am
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Found this feature on EA12 description page:
Does it mean, that two or more users can simultaneously check-out the same version-controlled package and then check-in only the elements they changed?

Whether so or not - could anyone, please, explain, how to find and try this new feature?

Thank you.
No. A user that checked out a package holds a lock in the VC preventing others to do the same. First come, first serve.

q.

Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on December 04, 2014, 08:15:26 am
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Found this feature on EA12 description page:
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Support for XMI merge using Baseline Merge sets. Provide the ability to selectively merge sets of changes in a multi-user environment. Each user must supply both an XMI of their current work, plus a Baseline merge file detailing how their XMI differs from the original. Only the listed changes are merged and all other changes to the Master package remain untouched.

Does it mean, that two or more users can simultaneously check-out the same version-controlled package and then check-in only the elements they changed?

Whether so or not - could anyone, please, explain, how to find and try this new feature?

Thank you.
It doesn't work with version control, but it does allow that basic functionality.

  The basic workflow is as follows
    Each modeler receives a copy of the original package
    Each modeler imports and baselines the package
    Each modeler makes their changes (additions, deletions and modifications)
    Each modeler then exports their package creating an XMI file and a Merge file based on their changes
    The original model is then updated with each modelers changes, using the Merge files
    Changes not in the Merge Files (E.g other modelers additions, deletions and updates) are ignored
    The resultant model accurately reflects the sum of the modelers work
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: jecartas on December 04, 2014, 09:45:43 pm
The redesign of the operations/attributes dialog is horrible.
I was just trying to change something to the parameters of an operation, but the two fields that are most used for a parameter (name and type) get the smallest part of the screen.
Just a tiny portion of the screen, only 12 characters for name and 12 characters for type are visible.
But on the on the other hand, I have half the width of my screen to indicate the direction!
Who designed this? And who agreed to it? Have they ever actually used it?
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Geert Bellekens on December 04, 2014, 10:50:23 pm
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The redesign of the operations/attributes dialog is horrible.
I was just trying to change something to the parameters of an operation, but the two fields that are most used for a parameter (name and type) get the smallest part of the screen.
Just a tiny portion of the screen, only 12 characters for name and 12 characters for type are visible.
But on the on the other hand, I have half the width of my screen to indicate the direction!
Who designed this? And who agreed to it? Have they ever actually used it?
Try the latest beta version. They already fixed that.

Geert
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on December 04, 2014, 11:45:58 pm
Actually he uses almost the same wording as you in your first post.   ::)

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback - resizable dialogue
Post by: skiwi on January 15, 2015, 01:31:55 pm
RC1 dialogue box not resizable, also ...s some text
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/copperkiwi/Sparx/2015-01-15_15-24-30_zpsdb176825.png)
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: skiwi on January 15, 2015, 01:39:47 pm
When I upgraded to RC1 I lost the customisations in the (unnamed?) toolbar, viz
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/copperkiwi/Sparx/2015-01-15_15-42-05_zpsce16eb65.png)


Also all existing saved workspace layouts were lost
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback - resizable dialogue
Post by: skiwi on January 15, 2015, 01:40:42 pm
Not resizable in RC 1
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/copperkiwi/Sparx/2015-01-15_15-37-21_zps7f50dea4.png)
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: skiwi on January 15, 2015, 01:46:16 pm
Can't deselect options
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/copperkiwi/Sparx/2015-01-15_15-41-01_zps89cea7fb.png)

Although the highlighted options show as 'de-selectable' they can't be de-selected.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback - drag left
Post by: skiwi on January 15, 2015, 01:53:45 pm
RC1 On a horizontally scrolling diagram
Trying to drag an entity from the right to a place on the diagram off screen to the left I expect the diagram to scroll when the cursor hits or gets close to the left margin, but I an find no position where the diagram scrolls.

Have to drop object, scroll diagram another view port, pick up object and continue ...

(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/copperkiwi/Sparx/2015-01-15_16-00-41_zpsaadeedbb.png)

/me [timestamp=1421727612]
On a single monitor system, EA in full screen, with no controls docked on the left side (see image)
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on January 15, 2015, 08:11:42 pm
Do you get paid for beta testing?  ;D

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Vladimir Rüntü on January 16, 2015, 03:03:30 am
Importing Informix v12.10FC4 DB schema is not working. Wrong/strange schema name and no tables are imported/found..
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on January 16, 2015, 10:28:06 am
RE: Non-resizable dialogs - There's nowhere that we've said that all dialogs have been made resizeable. Unless otherwise stated dialogs are unlikely to have been changed.

RE: customizations lost - As with all major upgrades in EA, layouts tend to be at least somewhat incompatible between versions and get reset. Part of this is resetting toolbars to default.

RE: Non-removeable toolbars - I don't know if that's changed in 12, but I'm sure that you can deal with it given the only fix would be to remove/disable the checkboxes. Those items need to be there to allow you to reset them.

RE: Horizontal scrolling. It scrolls (very quickly) if the thing you are moving moves completely off the diagram. If you don't have any windows docked to the left (and EA is on the left-most monitor) this could prevent the behavior. (And I am reasonably sure it's behaved that way for a very long time)

RE: Informix import, best to send in a bug report. I can't comment on that.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback - resizable dialogue
Post by: skiwi on January 20, 2015, 09:27:09 am
RC 1
Another dialogue box that is not resizable

(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/copperkiwi/Sparx/NewPicture3_zpsef651c5b.png)
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: skiwi on January 20, 2015, 09:44:46 am
Sequence diagrams not truncated appropriately

(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/copperkiwi/Sparx/Sequencediagramexample_zpsbcc610fa.png)

In EA12RC1 (and indeed in EA 11) sequence diagrams that are copied to the clipboard, exported as a file, or generated into a document should be cropped after the lowest entity, and not 'go all the way down'

reported

[timestamp=1421725949] /me
EA is correctly representing the diagram as modified by the user, specifically by extending the length of the lifelines.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on January 20, 2015, 09:48:40 am
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... should be cropped after the lowest entity, and not 'go all the way down'
So, what you're saying is that EA should override the size specified by the user?
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: skiwi on January 20, 2015, 09:56:18 am
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So, what you're saying is that EA should override the size specified by the user?

Yes indeed.

As a user, how did I specify the size? The diagram defaulted to the lifelines you see as I created each of them.

I see this as analogous to swimlanes, EA is clever enough to export only the picture that matters
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on January 20, 2015, 11:36:11 am
The user specifies the size of all lifelines in the diagram by resizing any one of them. I know that if we did what you suggested there would be complaints from people who have explicitly set a size.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: skiwi on January 20, 2015, 11:51:34 am
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The user specifies the size of all lifelines in the diagram by resizing any one of them. I know that if we did what you suggested there would be complaints from people who have explicitly set a size.

I see.
I'd suggest then that the lifelines are set short rather than long by default, and automatically expand if needed, or EA keeps track of whether the lifeline lengths have been manually set, and then no longer crops (unless an Alt-Z is used)
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: RoyC on January 20, 2015, 12:11:24 pm
I'm not sure how you get your Lifelines, but when I add them to a diagram they ARE already pretty short. They might default to something fractionally longer on a portrait diagram in contrast to a landscape diagram, but I can't see a noticeable difference.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: skiwi on January 20, 2015, 02:44:51 pm
You are right, they are pretty short. Then I must blame myself for making them long in the forgotten past. Please ignore this then.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback - inserting macron char
Post by: skiwi on January 20, 2015, 03:19:40 pm
In EA12 RC1 I (still) can't insert a character with a macron (e.g. [ch257]) into a note field, but can into the name (or alias or keyword) field !

(using W7 64 bit with m[ch257]ori keyboard). Is the note control broken? (hint using html entities (e.g. [ch257]) would solve this problem).
Title: Re: EA v12 (RC) feedback; Enterprise Architect doc
Post by: skiwi on January 27, 2015, 11:07:50 am
Enterprise Document handler

kudos to Sparx for this unexpected little surprise I found in my context menu.
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/copperkiwi/Sparx/New%20Picture%208_zpsniejkqtr.png)

Certainly most useful to view an XSD file
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Aaron B on January 27, 2015, 12:04:07 pm
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Enterprise Document handler

kudos to Sparx for this unexpected little surprise I found in my context menu.
Glad that you're finding it useful.  For more info about this new feature, see:
http://www.sparxsystems.com/products/ea/12/index.html#defaultdocumenthandler
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Guillaume on January 28, 2015, 06:38:24 pm
Hi,

I noticed that the list of a class attributes or methods no longer provide the green arrow buttons to move them up or down (manual sorting order).
I found the way to achieve this via a right click or a keyboard shortcut (e.g. Ctrl + or -) however I wonder if most users will have issues in finding this feature,  or even think it doesn't exist.

Guillaume
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on January 28, 2015, 08:49:46 pm
Admittedly I do not really use V12, but I was curious about the attributes. So I opened the dialog and was not able to enter any attribute at all. At least it was everything but intuitive. There is no button nor is the cursor positioned on a field where you are supposed to enter a name. Instead you have to go through the context menu. Maybe once you get used to Ctrl-N it will be ok, but the only party that will be really happy are trainers :P

Ah - and the missing sorting function: the very same. Where is it? Then: I have Parallels and Ctrl-Cursor on my Mac is already used for something else. Means: I got no chance to move. Would Ctrl-Cursor work in the browser too? I guess not. It still has the green arrows. EAUI :-X

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: KP on January 29, 2015, 09:54:04 am
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Admittedly I do not really use V12, but I was curious about the attributes. So I opened the dialog and was not able to enter any attribute at all. At least it was everything but intuitive. There is no button nor is the cursor positioned on a field where you are supposed to enter a name. Instead you have to go through the context menu.
This has been improved since RC2 went out so you will see it in the next release. Just click in a "New Attribute..." field and start typing to create a new attribute. It works in a very similar way to how the Scenarios tab always has.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on January 29, 2015, 10:07:11 am
Hmm. That did not work. I installed the RC2 opened the class attributes but there was no "New Attribute" but just the same as before. I had to enter Ctrl-N. I'd certainly get used to it (I prefer keyboard anyway over mouse) but - see my previous post.

Another thing: I had a repository open in an older EA version running. The installer asked that it "needed to change the EAP file". Now, I guess it meant that it can't close the other application rather than really changing the contents of the EAP. Or is there some real new magic in some tables to be modified so one can't go back? Please shed light on this. Thanks!

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: KP on January 29, 2015, 10:09:35 am
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Hmm. That did not work. I installed the RC2 opened the class attributes but there was no "New Attribute" but just the same as before.
Sorry, I wasn't clear: This has been improved since RC2 went out so you will see it in the next release.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on January 29, 2015, 10:33:47 am
Ah, lol - but can you answer my question about the EAP change during install?

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Simon M on January 29, 2015, 10:52:57 am
The only models the installer is updating are EABase and EAExample. Without seeing the message, I expect that it was just wanting you to close EA.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: KP on January 29, 2015, 11:17:30 am
When the installer says "Some files that need to be updated are currently in use", I'm pretty sure it is referring to EA.exe
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: qwerty on January 29, 2015, 08:49:09 pm
Ah thanks. It was that message. Might lead to some sort of misunderstanding  ;)

q.
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: arnwik on February 01, 2015, 09:02:49 am
Tested the RC12 B1206 today. The features/properties -> Operations (and Attributes) dialog should respond to the KEY DOWN in a drop down dialog (e.g. Proerties->Type drop down). I want to see the drop down options.

Also, the TAB functionality should include the Attribute/Operations and Close/Help button.  It does that partly in the first iteration then it never goes back to the same cycle again. P.S. The changing of TAB focus changes should be visible to the user. When pressing TAB you hope it has changed focus but there are no way to tell until you have pressed something else - KEY DOWN or something.

Changing from Attributes to Operations the focus moves from the Operations to the Method dialog and the TAB functionality is lost.

There seems to be alot of cleanup needed in the Attributes/Features dialog before it is user (and keyboard) friendly.

Arnwik
Title: Re: EA v12 (BETA) feedback
Post by: Guillaume on February 06, 2015, 06:47:35 pm
I tested the Wireframing support. When exporting a diagram to an image (Ctrl-C in the diagram, Ctrl-V e.g. in Word), not all elements are copied in the image e.g. I cannot see the Title element nor the Status.